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Defska,
My point is, if you hate them because they win for whatever reason, thats jealousy, whether anyone wants to admit it or not.
How much have you spent on Padres stuff this year? Do you watch their games whenever they are on? How about ticket sales? This is how fans can support.
Having a larger market means nothing if the team cannot blend well. The Yankees win because they play like a team with no fingerpointing, etc.
And if baseball is going to make a salary cap, which it would be a soft cap, they should integrate a minimum cap. That is what hurts the game more, owners that cheap it out. Teams make enough to support a 40 or whatever million dollar payroll and they should be forced to have it. A lot of owners, although you guys believe otherwise, point their finger at the Yankees and cheap out and blame the Yankees and baseball for their problems. They can afford a certain level of payroll and should be expected to reach a certain level. Like I said, if they are forced to have it, they will make an attempt at signing one big guy and that will increase ticket sales and all profitable enterprises and payoff in the long term better than cheaping their way out.
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Rick R
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On 2001-11-06 08:26, Patrick wrote:
My point is, if you hate them because they win for whatever reason, thats jealousy, whether anyone wants to admit it or not.
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Actually, it isnt. People are not jealous of the New York Yankees, but it is just plain unfair. To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't even want to be a Yankee fan. I mean, how much excitement can it actually bring if it happens almost every year? It is like Arbor Day to you people for God's sake! When we get ours, its gonna mean something.
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How much have you spent on Padres stuff this year? Do you watch their games whenever they are on? How about ticket sales? This is how fans can support.
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Fact is, Cleveland fans have shown much more support for our team then you guys have the past couple years, and it hasnt brought us any championships.
We sold out some ridiculus number like 455 connsecutive games, and we are a mid-market city. New York has 50 Bazillion people in it, and it is rare you see a regular season sell-out. New York gets the HUGE tv deals, and Georgie makes a boatload. Other owners are not so fortunate.
Call me brainwashed if you want, but I just think you dont want to see all these strings of championships comming to an end, so you dont want the playing field leveled.
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Rick,
Again, I mention selective memories. We have been in long droughts. The 80s and early 90s. The days of Gene Michael and Roy White. We've only won 26, how long as the MLB be around? We have won 30 something pennants, its not every year. How soon you forget.
Exactly, you need people to play together a bit more in Cleveland and you need a bit more talent. Bringing it Gonzo for a year is no good, you guys need to build a sense of comraderie.
The leveling of the playing field will be when billionaires start spending their money on the team. This contraction is garbage, like Gammons said, you have billionaires ending the jobs of people who work hard for 12 to 18 thou. If the playing field is to be leveled, you want a salary cap - and there must me a MIMIMUM cap, so that owners can't cheap it out.
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defska17
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| Posted: 11/6/2001, 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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How much have you spent on Padres stuff this year? Do you watch their games whenever they are on? How about ticket sales? This is how fans can support.
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Me, in particular, this is the first year in a long time that I didn't attend a game, normally I go to 2-3 a year. I watched probably 60-75% of their games this year, and since the end of last season, have probably spent upwards of $100 in Padres stuff. Padres fans love their team and have always been loyal to their team. San Diego is a small city, much smaller than New York, so obviously revenue will be much less here then there. Also, Yankees are a more universal team, much like the Cowboys in football, so they sell merchandise across the US where the Padres don't sell much of anything outside of San Diego.
I guess I can agree on the minimum cap, though I do not think it is necessary. I do not think it should be static across the MLB however, unless it is strikingly low. If some teams cannot affort to meet a minimum cap, then they shouldn't be forced to.
And I still disagree on your definition of jealousy. I do not, and most people do not, hate them because they win. We hate them because of how they win.
Yes, the Yankees have been in droughts, but what about Chicago? Boston? Now these are droughts. The Yanks struggle for 10 years then are back. This is nothing. |
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How they win? Jealousy! They win by playing good team baseball.
Well Boston spends money and Cleveland spends money, and Cleveland usually has a good team every year for the past like 8 years. Chicago has been spending a little bit of money (Sosa? Is Wood signed? I don't really follow them.) as well.
If cities can't support a team, they probably shouldn't have a team. I am against this contraction though.
You are penalizing the Yankees because when the person that picked to start a team choose New York. Some guy choose Minnesota (when moving from Washington), and later some guy choose Montreal. When are people going to learn that this is a planning thing? Baseball should not have expanded so fast.
Just my opinion.
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Yes they do win by playing good team baseball, but they play good team baseball because they have a good team that most teams in the majors cannot afford; it is usually not a fair fight out of the gate.
And this contraction thing actually helps every team, including the Yankees, make money. |
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Yeah, when was the last time the Yankees had a big home run hitter anyway???? 
Mets in 2002!!!! 
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