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defska17
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oh yes, I am happy  i am shocked, but i am happy
and you are right the yankees will be back next year, despite the fact that tino, paul o'neil, brosius, el duke, etc. might not be coming back...the yankees can afford to replace the whole damn team if they want to, that's why i despise them so much, they have an advantage over everyone else in the league because of that. baseball needs a salary cap  |
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Patrick
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I can't tell you how much you think like everyone else Defska. And its wrong - its plain jealous and wrong.
We have never replaced more than a few players. We have been patient and developed players. We can't go after a free agent without getting hated more. But the Red Sox can sign Manny to 160 million dollar deal and everyone just nods and moves on. Be fair or don't - but don't be a hypocrit, the Yankees don't go out and sign all of the good players, we never have done that.
We might make a few moves, but that is because we are LOSING salary. Again, we can't lose salary and use it on new players without being criticized. We have possibly Knoblauch, Tino, El Duq, Brosious and others leaving. Probably like 30 mil. I have no idea.
One thing is for sure: I don't want Giambi next year. The guy is a jerk.
I would like to see them resign Brosious and Tino to one year deals. Bring Duq back. Sign the few utility guys we have. Go out and get Barry Bonds. Thats basically it.
That would give us something like:
C Jorge Posada (Home grown)
1B Tino Martinez (Had since 1996)
2B Alfonso Soriano (Home grown)
3B Scott Brosius (Had since 1998)
SS Derek Jeter (Home grown)
LF Barry Bonds (New)
CF Bernie Williams (Home grown)
RF Shane Spencer (Home grown)
DH Davis Justice (Had since 2000)
That would be pretty nice. We just need to fill a few gaps and reload.
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defska17
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Im not "jealous" in any way. I am a fan of a team that like 25 or 26 other teams in the league will have to settle with only being able to realistically have a playoff shot every few years. We are one of the poorest teams in the league, and if it wasn't for our new ballpark, we would be at risk of being one of the teams that would be gone next year. Yes, I wish that we had more chances at a ring like the Yankees, the Braves, and possibly Cleveland, but we don't, and that just makes those seasons more special.
I will say that the Yankees have a great farm system, though I am sure a lot of that is because they are the Yankees and people want to play for them more than most other teams. But you said it yourself: you want, you expect, the Yanks to go out and sign Barry Bonds for next year. How many teams do you honestly think have any legitimate shot at signing the man that passed Ruth, Maris, Sosa, and Mac?
And the Yankees down the stretch this year, decide that they want another pitcher, so they go and sign the Padres #1 guy for a reliever role (they might have started him as a #5 starter, don't quite remember, but he was relief in the playoffs)!! I mean if you can't admit the Yanks are at an extreme advantage being able to do this, then I don't know what you are watching.
...and also, I didn't just nod when Manny was signed, or A-Rod was signed, or Kevin Brown was signed, I think it is all rediculous. Baseball needs a salary cap, not just the Yankees. What do the Pads have to look forward to next year? We may lose Nevin, Tony is gone, Yanks took our only decent pitcher, and we can't replace any of them, because all the powerful teams can offer the players more.
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Patrick
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Defska,
Most people are jealous, anyone that dislikes the Yankees - its a form of jealousy. Not neccessarily saying you are.
Any team can sign Bonds. Its the owner. All teams are in a position right now where they could offer Barry 20 million a year. If the owner is willing, it can surely be done. I don't expect to get Barry, in fact I don't think its likely, but we'll see. The Cubs have Sosa... we don't, guess people forget that also. The Yankees aren't allowed to havea big HR hitter or they are evil! 
Defska, the Yankees traded TWO medicore minor league pitchers - ANY team could have done that! Hitchcock isn't THAT valuable, just because he plays for a team that isn't committed to trying to field a better team then they have. (No offense. Its no fun when ownership isn't there for you.)
Sure our market does give us an advantage, but if the Pads - and their owner and fans - wanted to have sign more guys, they could. We gave you your future: Jimenez.
You should be thanking me.
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Patrick, when you say it is all on the owner you are dead wrong. It all has to do with how much the owner is making. These people are buisnessman, they are not going to spend 20 million more than they are making every year. Baseball definitly has some major problems, and they need a salary cap. Even if the Yanks spend most of their money on home grown talent, that still gives them an advantage. Most teams in baseball loose all of their home grown talent because they cannot afford them. (i.e. Expos, A's)
The Yankees loose.......Thhhheeeee Yankeeees Looooosssseeeeee! (John Sterling:) )
By the way, we in Cleveland are still waiting for our first Championship since 1948. And that includes the Tribe, Browns, and Cavs! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! |
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You'll have to keep waiting...
Go with the hockey team I say.. 
Who cares that they're ranked last on ESPN's power rankings..
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defska17
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You are wrong about the Pads ownership. A few years ago when the team took a major overhaul after management changes, that is what everyone thought, but then they ended up in the 98 world series. I know that the ownership is commited to fielding a good team, we just cannot afford it, especially with the new stadium coming around the corner.
And there is no way that any owner could offer any player $20mil a year. Like Rick said, this is a business, and they need to make money, and if they are not making an extra $20mil a year then they cannot pay it.
"Sure our market does give us an advantage..." That is all I am trying to say here, the Yanks have an advantage over everyone. There is no way that any team could go out and sign more guys whenever they wanted to, if they did then why wouldnt they? Are you saying that the Yanks are the only team in the majors that want to win?
Yankees in 100+ years: 26(?) Championships..so roughly 8 every 30 years
Padres in 30 or so years: 0 Championships
Granted the numbers above are all approximations, if one team in the majors takes 25% of the championships, things are definitely sided in favor of them, no matter how you look at it.
And most people are not jealous of the Yanks, that sounds like a little egotistical talk to me. Disliking and being jealous are not always related you know. People are not jealous the the Yankees win, they are mad that they have an unfair advantge year after year, they want the playing field leveled a bit. And I gurantee you, that a lot of baseballs financial problems, are caused because of this. |
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