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ZR440
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Incorrect again, Patrick. Bums don't have agents who work on a percentage basis. A guy who gets paid 20 mil a year should be hitting 40+ homers and winning gold gloves. How many players in the whole league are doing that? Not many. Surely not your buddy Jeter either.
I've been watching sports for many years. I've lost respect for many that I once loved because of the money issue and lack of talent. If you have watched sports evolve over the past 20+ years (I'm 32) and can tell me that there is nothing wrong with the current state of salaries you are as blind as Stevie Wonder. If you haven't been watching sports that long, I'm done with this debate. |
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Patrick
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| Posted: 8/16/2002, 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't say anything about salaries being just, if anything I was attempting to emphasize your points and get clarification of them. I also didn't speak of "length" watching sports, as that has very little to do with this debate, the only thing that matters is that neither of us are new to sports, which is the obvious case.
Our userbase mostly consists of individuals under 20, and if you believe that their points are somehow less valid than yours, in a world of opinions, because they are not over 30, which is what you insinuated, that is not a very nice thing. 
Thanks.
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defska17
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| Posted: 8/16/2002, 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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Pat, either you dont understand what this article/list was about, or you feel it is okay for someone to say that Derek Jeter's community work is better and more important than that of other athletes.
At any rate, I never said that recognizing athletes for good work is a bad thing. Im not sure where you got that. You are arguing a completely different point than the one that I am trying to make.
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Patrick
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| Posted: 8/16/2002, 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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The point I am arguing is that there is no point in arguing.
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WHO ARE THE GOOD GUYS?
This is the fourth year The Sporting News has selected the most impressive Good Guys in pro sports -- those athletes in the NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL and NASCAR who have the biggest hears, who give back the most to the community, who are the most willing to serve the needy and unfortunate.
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(I'm thinking they meant YEARS, not hears.)
TSN picked one of the people they felt is giving the most back to the community of people that had a big year in sports, they are not saying that Jeter's contributions are worth more or that they are better than anyone elses just that he is one of the ones that gives back the most, but not that what he gives is better than what any San Diego area athlete gives, of that is the way that I took it.
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defska17
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| Posted: 8/20/2002, 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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They mean "hearts".
This is not about San Diego athletes, why even use that as an example?
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| they are not saying that Jeter's contributions are worth more or that they are better than anyone elses |
Yes they are! Do you even know how they chose who to write the article about?
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| Candidates are nominated by their individual teams and leagues. Management and former players are not considered; TSN selects the winners. |
They make it sound like players are competing for this "honor"! Why must there be a single "winner"? Anyone who is helping someone else is doing a good deed, why couldnt they just leave it at that?
If, after hearing that, you still think that this article is fine then you are either supporting your player, or just dont understand what I am trying to explain to you.
I have but one final comment about this topic: I 100% agree with you that praising someone for their good deeds is a good thing, but ranking good deeds is morally wrong.
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I feel that the article is "fine" and I am not one of the two, I appreciate positive things written about sports, period.
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Candidates are nominated by their individual teams and leagues.
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I think that adds even more to the article. I thought it was just TSN picking nominees as well, that is good.
I still do not take the article as saying that Jeter's contributions are more than anyone elses because it doesn't say that, unless I misread it which at which point I will concede, but I have read everything on that page and nothing yet says "Jeter's contributions were worth more than any athlete in sports" (or in the San Diego area.)  lol
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defska17
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| His efforts...make him No. 1 on TSN's annual list of The Good Guys in pro sports. |
To me, that quote right there says that Jeter's contributions are better than others. But maybe you interpret that differently than I do...
And stop bringing San Diego into this! This has nothing to do with San Diego or any San Diego athlete or any other individual athlete period! This has nothing to do with me not liking the Yankees or Derek Jeter! It is almost offending to me that you cant realize that.
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defska17
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| Posted: 8/23/2002, 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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I did until your San Diego comment angered me 
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