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hill_devin
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 Posted: 5/16/2007, 7:37 pm Post subject: Suns, Spurs, Suspensions |
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Whose to blame for the unfair suspension of two key Phoenix Suns players? Stern? Horry? Themselves? No, none of the above. The blame belongs on no one other than Steve Nash.
Every playoff game that I have watched I have seen ridiculous amounts of flopping and poor sport play. The worst probably coming late in game four of the Utah-Golden State series. Yes, Horry did foul Nash as he was trying to use the sideline as help but no way that he knocked Nash as hard as Nash made it seem.
I don't even think that Horry's foul was worth two games suspensions, especially when no one from Golden State even got suspended for more than a few minutes in their series against Utah.
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Arrowhead-Red
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| Posted: 5/16/2007, 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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I think the suspensions came as a result of the players coming off the benches when the contact happen. The rules state that a player CANNOT come off the bench during an altercation.
I don't really have a problem with the suspensions, and I think it will set a precedent, and make players start to think a little more.
Flopping has been around for quite some time. I have had teams burned by it as well. Ed McCaffery, when he was with the Broncos, was the king of flop when it came to drawing the pass interference calls. Now, with the replay rules, I don't imagine it will be gotten away with as much. However, it is more a part of the game of basketball, with selling a charge, etc. It is just part of the game, and the smart players will work it to their advantage.
I don't recall much from the Jazz/Warriors games, not nearly to the level that the Spurs/Suns have taken it. Anyhow, the Spurs/Suns players will have to deal with it, playoff games or not.
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Tru Playa
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| Posted: 5/22/2007, 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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i kinda hated it, but maybe its just coz im a fan.............but that game 5 was really close, and to imagine if stoudemire was there, they prolly would of won and sent this series to a game 7 back to phx...........maybe even won the series
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Arrowhead-Red
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| Posted: 5/22/2007, 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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True, but at the same time, he may have been having a lousy game, shooting 30% or something like that, and still have lost.
They were in that game, and could have won it in the end without Stoudemire. You just never know.
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| Posted: 5/23/2007, 7:53 am Post subject: |
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I thought everything about the call was bull. They were just defending each other. Thats what teamates do. Protect their best player. Horry was way outa line hitting Nash the way he did and their was no reason for it.
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Arrowhead-Red
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| Posted: 5/24/2007, 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| I thought everything about the call was bull. They were just defending each other. Thats what teamates do. Protect their best player. Horry was way outa line hitting Nash the way he did and their was no reason for it. |
That is true. However, these kinds of fouls happen alot during the regular season as well. Still, the rule remains, and the players have to think about their actions when things like this happen, even in important games such as these. I heard a mention on SportsCenter the other day that said those were the only 2 players to come off of the bench. The bottom line is that they just lost their cool, and went to far, and the team had to pay for it. I know everyone thinks it effected the outcome of the series, but the players should have that in mind before they make decisions like that.
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Tru Playa
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i dont know if any of you guys know, but i saw a thing on espn the day after that game............and a few people said they were gonna view tim duncan coming off the bench when his player fell on the court when he dunked on a phx player..........and he came walking about 2 feet on the court, but i guess they did nothing about it since he wasnt suspended or anything
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shamedog18
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| Posted: 5/28/2007, 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Arrowhead-Red wrote: |
I think the suspensions came as a result of the players coming off the benches when the contact happen. The rules state that a player CANNOT come off the bench during an altercation.
I don't really have a problem with the suspensions, and I think it will set a precedent, and make players start to think a little more. |
I think the problem is with the rule itself. Imagine if we had this rule in baseball. Every time a player charges the mound or sometimes just gives the pitcher a funny stare, the entire dugouts come marching out to the field, without a punch even being thrown the majority of the time. Imagine what it would be like if all 25 players from each team were suspended every time that happened.
As for it setting a precedent, let's remember that this is not the first time this has happened. In 1997, the Knicks led the Heat 3 games to 1 in a heated (no pun intended) best of 7 second round series. In a decade that saw some great Knicks teams that probably would have a few championships if not for a guy by the name of Michael Jordan, that was probably the best team they had. Turns out P.J. Brown decides to throw Charlie Ward onto the sideline because Ward was holding onto him too tight before a foul shot and a fight broke out. A few Knicks players stepped no more than 3 or 4 feet onto the court and Patrick Ewing, John Starks, Larry Johnson among other players were suspended for either Games 6 or 7 (so many players were suspended that some suspensions were deferred to Game 7 so there were enough Knicks on the roster to play). This team really had a legitimate shot of taking down Jordan and the Bulls, but missing their star players, the Knicks lost games 5, 6 and 7 to Miami and blew a 3-1 lead in the series. If that doesn't set a precedent I don't know what will.
Same thing happened the following year on a smaller scale. In a best-of-5 first round a fight broke out between Larry Johnson and Alonzo Mourning (remember Van Gundy grabbing onto Mourning's leg? classic...) and Chris Mills was suspended for Game 5 for putting one foot onto the court, probably unintentionally. To me I just think it's a stupid rule and if David Stern and Stu Jackson would just leave their egos behind for a moment they'd do something to fix it. A few players stepping a few feet onto the court during a fight should not decide a playoff series. |
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Arrowhead-Red
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The players decided the series...not the rules. They knew the rules, and came off the bench. As for Duncan getting off the bench when his teammate was dunked on; if it hadn't reached the level of altercation yet, then maybe that is why nothing happened. I missed that one, so I don't know for sure.
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Yeah but I think it gets to the point where we have to be a bit realistic. Let's put it this way. The NBA referees have an elastic clause that allows them to call any play as they see fit, thus essentially allowing them to call the game within the spirit of the rule rather than let's say taking a foul shot away from a player every time he takes more than the 10 seconds he's allowed within the rules to take the shot once he receives the ball. Ever see a player take a hop-step under the basket before dunking it or laying it in? Technically, that's a traveling violation. Refs 999 out of 1000 times will let that go though.
Point being, why can't the league have the same sort of thing when it comes to situations like this? Obviously the rule was put in place to prevent large scale brawls from breaking out. Obviously the rule has not worked. Twice now we've seen teams lose star players in the playoffs in crucial situations for non-malicously standing up and taking a few steps forward. That's not why the rule was put in place. Sure, players know the rules, but you can't defy human nature. If someone sees a comrade in an altercation, it's very unrealistic to expect somebody to simply stay seated on a bench in watch. Even the players who stepped onto the floor were showing good restraint.
And in defense of that Knicks team, at that point I'm sure many of those players didn't know the rule at all. It was an unprecedented situation. I don't think really anybody was aware of it until the suspensions were handed out. |
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