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he's not. his offense is boring and repetitive. he doesnt get the job done. he was probably one of the top 3 or 4 reasons why the chargers sucked last year.
the only reason i wanted him to stay in San Diego was to keep some continuity from last season, but now that he is gone, good riddance.
keep track of the first 10 times the fins have 3rd and 1 and the plays he call, then note that at least 7 of them will involve the halfback up the middle off of his blocker. * me off how many times he called that damn play. |
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| 4 more wins, and I doubt that Turner had much to do with that. I'm thinking that the appearance of a running game and the disapearance of Cryin' Ryan were the main factors there. |
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by "the appearance of a running game" I meant LT. we could have had anyone run our offense and have the runing game show an improvement. our leading rusher 2 seasons ago had, like, 350 yards, and that was the most in 2 years i think.
LT guaranteed an improvement, regardless of Norv Turner. |
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how can you disagree? do you know who the chargers starting running back was 2 seasons ago? not many people do. jermaine fazande. and no i didnt make that name up. hes a backup fullback at best on any normal team, not a starting halfback. combine that with cryin' ryan and its no wonder they won 1 game.
bottom line: if norv turner ran our offense in 2000 instead of 2001, we would have still won 1 game, because of personnel. |
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You are missing another thing though. When Turner coaches a team... he makes sure he has an RB. That among other reasons is why you have LT.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/sports/football/nfl/miami_dolphins/2613076.htm
Where Turner goes... there is a running game. Call it personell over and over again, but the numbers are there.
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It became clear last season that fading Lamar Smith, off a miserable year and now a pending free agent, is not the requisite Turner back.
Williams is. Perfectly, he is.
Coach Dave Wannstedt and Turner know it. Tampering rules mandate they don't publicly recruit Williams with words even though the Dolphins and Saints acknowledge preliminary trade talks. That would be dumb, too; the asking price would only rise. But you can imagine the smile on both faces when these guys consider what an upgrade to Williams would mean for Miami.
He is the essential Turner back, a guy who will pound 25 or 30 carries a game and catch a slew of passes and be counted on when it is third-and-1 and you are trying to eat clock or when you are within the width of a nose guard's rear end to the opponent's goal.
Turner had Emmitt Smith in Dallas. Smith had 4,762 rushing yards, 165 catches and 42 touchdowns in three seasons.
Turner had Terry Allen in Washington. Allen in two healthy seasons had 2,662 yards and 31 TDs.
Turner had Stephen Davis in Washington. Davis in two years had 2,723 yards and 28 TDs.
Turner had LaDainian Tomlinson last season in San Diego. Tomlinson had 1,236 yards and 59 catches (both tops among rookies), and 339 carries, third most in the league. He also had 22 third-and-1 runs, leading the NFL.
Sense a trend?
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well...maybe norv turner had an influence on getting LT, but I credit his acquisition more to John Butler than I do to Turner.
and there were talks in Miami about Williams coming there well before Turner even left San Diego, so you can't credit him much there.
that article is pretty redundant if you ask me anyways. he had some of the greatest backs there, of course they are gonna put up good numbers, that doesnt necessarily reflect on him. what reflects on him is how his team does in situations where they need creative play calling, such as goal line situations, 3rd and short, and come-from-behind situations. and he sure didn't do much there.
bottom line: as offensive coordinator he is more responsible for organizing plays than signing personnell (especially in san diego where john butler likes to have controll over everything). and at calling plays last season, norv turner was average at best. |
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