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sunsfan13
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 Posted: 11/27/2007, 7:12 pm Post subject: Johan to the Yanks? |
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| There are talks that Johan Santana of the Twins might get traded to the Yanks pretty soon. He's got this year left and I heard he turned down a 4 year deal with the Twins so... What do you guys think of this? |
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Arrowhead-Red
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| Posted: 11/28/2007, 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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He has a year left, then he is a free agent. The guy could be the ace, for sure.
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azntoxicwaste
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| Posted: 11/28/2007, 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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I feel that Johan will definitely be healthy. If you look at his stats, he never had any major arm problems and he has at least 33 starts in each of the last 4 seasons. He's the piece that the Yankees desperately need if they want to be better than the Red Sox on paper.
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| Posted: 11/29/2007, 3:50 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, you are right. I editted my post, because I realized that I had him confused with the other younger pitcher that the Twins have that is much like him, but has missed significant time with arm problems.
Don't pay attention to me; I don't know what I am talking about!
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I don't feel we desperately need him. We have Wang, Phil, Joba, Kennedy and Moose right now. Moose is sketchy, but Wang is a great pitcher and the other three are great, young pitchers. We have a very good rotation right now and if Pettitte comes back (which is key), then we have a great rotation. Honestly, if Pettitte comes back, I'll be ready to ride against whatever the Red Sox throw up there. I want us to rock with these young, talented guys and see where the chips fall.
That said, we should stay in the loop on him, for sure. But, if it comes to Cano, Joba or Phil, we take a pass.
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| Posted: 11/29/2007, 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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That is true, Patrick. However, the Yankees seem to like to overload with talent, especially if another team like Boston is interested in the same player. We'll see if they take him or not.
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azntoxicwaste
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Patrick I feel that the Yankees rotation is good enough to get them through the regular season but their rotation simply cannot hold up in post season play especially against the Red Sox. Wang is average at best during post season play while Phil and Joba haven't even pitched a whole year yet. Granted that they both have tremendous talent but they don't have the experience to be pitching in a game 7 series on the line situation. Even if Pettite comes back, the Yankees still cannot match up to the Red Sox combo of Beckett, Schilling, Dice-k, and Lester or even the Angels combo of Lackey, Escober, Weaver, and Garland in a best out of 7 series. For those reasons, I feel that the Yankees need to get a pitcher like Santana no matter the cost especially if the Red Sox will get him instead of the Yankees. Imagine up against a Red Sox rotation of Santana, Beckett, Schilling, Dice-K during the post season. There's 2 proven aces in the prime of their career. Schilling is a former ace who is extremely clutch in the post season. Dice-K has the potential to be an ace and we will see how he is in his second year.
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| Posted: 11/30/2007, 9:26 am Post subject: |
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Hey azntoxicwaste,
I understand what you are saying.
Postseason play is a short season where anything can happen. If you have a rotation good enough to get you through the regular season, you have a rotation good enough to get you through the postseason. The best rotation, on paper, isn't always the one that wins.
I disagree with the thought of Wang being average at best in the postseason. He's made 4 postseason starts. One was awesome, one was solid and then he pitched poorly twice this year - once on short rest. Coming into this year, in his two starts, he had great postseason numbers. He's been one of the better pitchers in the American League over the last 2 seasons. Reasonably, I don't think you can point to a couple games and call him average at best. It's too small a sample size and it's unfair to him.
If Pettitte comes back, I'll take Wang, Pettitte, Phil and Joba (as a four man rotation) this season against those two rotations you mentioned and see where we come out.
If the Red Sox get Johan, certainly, they improve a lot. And it concerns me. But, even if that happens, there is just more to baseball than that. We may win, we may lose - but, I'm comfortable with it and I'm willing to give these young, very talented pitchers a shot, rather than dealing them away. We've spent the time developing them, all 3 of them have been given a taste of Major League Baseball and have risen to the occasion and we have them under our control - cost controlled - for around half a decade to come. Everyone starts with no experience. But, we have the makings of an amazing, young rotation. Maybe they bust, maybe they don't. But, I want to see how it plays out because if it does work out, we could have something very, very special on our hands that doesn't happen everyday.
Now, I'd like to get Santana, for sure, but there have to be limits to the parameters of the deal, so that we don't shoot ourselves in the foot. If we trade 2 out of 3 of our rotation, it hurts us more than it helps us. If we trade a member of our rotation and our starting second basemen, who is also young, under our control and one of the best in the game - it hurts us more than it helps us. We have a very talented farm, so we can make the deal, the only question is when the cost of Santana becomes prohibitive. I'm confident/hopeful that Cashman will maintain that line.
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I think you are on there, Patrick. The more it plays out, the more it looks like Santana may not move at all. I think that if the Yanks start giving up young talent, they only hurt themselves.
I know that the Twins told the Red Sox that they were interested in Ellsbury, and I don't think the Sox are willing to deal him. After all, the Sox are poised to repeat, so why tinker with it too much, especially young talent.
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