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Rebenga
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 Posted: 11/20/2004, 1:59 pm Post subject: Is there luck in golf? |
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If you go to the range and do everything in your power to hit two different golf balls to the same spot, you'll end up getting two different results.
Since you did everything in your power to get the same result, there must be some element of chance or luck involved. |
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Patrick
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kdawn
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| Posted: 11/24/2004, 12:06 am Post subject: |
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All sports have an element of "intangibles". The better an athlete is the less those "intangibles" factor in.
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Triumvirate
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| Posted: 11/24/2004, 6:19 am Post subject: |
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Also, you have to factor in dozens of extra things especially in the example you made above. Wind, gravity, how much force was exerted on the ball from 1 hit as compared with the other hit, where the club hits the ball, follow through. I suppose that if you wanted to consider a lot of those elements luck than you could, but I wouldn't call it luck exactly, more like human error. If it was in a closed and regulated environment and done by a machine the 2 balls should, theoretically, land in the same spot (though one ball would be pushed off that spot when the other hit it. Of course, I just hate to blame anything on chance/luck, so that's my take.
But, as kdawn said, every sport will have intangible elements which can not realistically be accounted for, so differences will be made.
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Rebenga
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| Posted: 11/26/2004, 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| Also, you have to factor in dozens of extra things especially in the example you made above. Wind, gravity, how much force was exerted on the ball from 1 hit as compared with the other hit, where the club hits the ball, follow through. |
What I meant is if you do everything within your power to hit the ball precisely the same. This means we're assuming wind, gravity and other such elements aren't factored in.
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| I suppose that if you wanted to consider a lot of those elements luck than you could, but I wouldn't call it luck exactly, more like human error. If it was in a closed and regulated environment and done by a machine the 2 balls should, theoretically, land in the same spot (though one ball would be pushed off that spot when the other hit it. Of course, I just hate to blame anything on chance/luck, so that's my take. |
Even if done by a machine, the two balls won't land in precisely the same spot.
So why would you call it human error/machine error as opposed to luck?
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| But, as kdawn said, every sport will have intangible elements which can not realistically be accounted for, so differences will be made. |
I'm talking about what causes the differences in results if you do everything within your power to get the same result.
For example, let's say you're bowling. You do everything in your power to roll the ball so that you get a strike and you do indeed roll a strike. Next time, you also do everything in your power to roll the ball so that you get a strike. But this time you don't get a strike. Seems to me that it's kind of like playing some kind of lottery. Because after you take out the human element, what can it be other than luck? |
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Triumvirate
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| Posted: 11/26/2004, 10:27 am Post subject: |
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I never said the two balls would land in the same spot, I merely said they theoretically should, if it was a closed and regulated environment, and all factors were exactly perfect then it would be the same, all factors of course will not be perfect in line with previous conditions, thus the difference.
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| For example, let's say you're bowling. You do everything in your power to roll the ball so that you get a strike and you do indeed roll a strike. Next time, you also do everything in your power to roll the ball so that you get a strike. But this time you don't get a strike. Seems to me that it's kind of like playing some kind of lottery. Because after you take out the human element, what can it be other than luck? |
If you were to have the equipment with you to measure every factor on the first roll where you got a strike and on the second roll where you don't get a strike you would find that something, minute as it may be, was different, if you want to consider that luck, then fine, but I personally would not call it that.
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Rebenga
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| Posted: 11/26/2004, 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Triumvirate wrote: |
I never said the two balls would land in the same spot, I merely said they theoretically should, if it was a closed and regulated environment, and all factors were exactly perfect then it would be the same, all factors of course will not be perfect in line with previous conditions, thus the difference.
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| For example, let's say you're bowling. You do everything in your power to roll the ball so that you get a strike and you do indeed roll a strike. Next time, you also do everything in your power to roll the ball so that you get a strike. But this time you don't get a strike. Seems to me that it's kind of like playing some kind of lottery. Because after you take out the human element, what can it be other than luck? |
If you were to have the equipment with you to measure every factor on the first roll where you got a strike and on the second roll where you don't get a strike you would find that something, minute as it may be, was different, if you want to consider that luck, then fine, but I personally would not call it that. |
If you do everything within your power to roll a strike and the rest is out of your control, how is that different from playing the lottery? |
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soonerfan07
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| Posted: 11/26/2004, 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes there is luck in golf, there is luck in just about anything you do in life. |
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Patrick
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arealvel
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Good players have a better control when hitting. Really they don't have an absolute control of a hit, because they are not able to place the ball just in the exact point they intended. One thing is mind and other is arm and hand. A perfect and complete accord isn't possible. So the effective result has also a factor of indetermination, of ramdom factors that we called luck. Anyway in the long term good players emerges among the others by their better control and coordiantion.
In the case of machines that indetermination is so reduced that we can prescinde of it. Anyway other external factors like wind could have also their weigth in the case of machines. |
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