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G95champ
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 Posted: 6/28/2002, 1:37 pm Post subject: Anyone else NOT like Phill Jackson at all |
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| Makes me sick he gets all this talk about being a great coach. Well you give me a team with Jordan and Pippen and I will win. Better yet give me a team with Shaq and Bryant and Ill win some more. Players make coaches. |
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G95champ
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| Posted: 6/28/2002, 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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Only the Jazz team had a real shot to beat the Bulls durring there run. I don't think anyone else won more than 2 games. MJ was the coach of those teams. You saw the Bulls when he left the first time. Then the Wizzard turn over this year with him. Phill done nothing.
A blind man in a dark room could coach the Lakers. Throw it to Shaq 50 times a game. No one else needs to shoot.
I don't think Jackson could take a team without the 2 best players at that time and turn them arround. I will give him one thing o he does a great job at keepin a team together because I don't know how anyone puts up with Bryant. |
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defska17
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| Posted: 6/28/2002, 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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I do agree that Phil has had 2 of, arguably, the greatest teams of all time. And with those teams almost any coach could win.
But I think that that is a compliment for Phil as much as it is an argument against him. Why do you think that all of these all-time great players (Jordan, Shaq, Kobe, Pippen) even want to play for the man? He's a great coach.
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G95champ
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| Posted: 6/28/2002, 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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I disagree he was really the only Coach MJ and Pippen ever had in Chicago. MJ is back and with another team. Yeah hes the owner but why not call Phill to coach them if hes so great. I think MJ and Pippen just did not want to break up that team. aka the Fla Marlins after the World Series.
As far as the Lakers they had Shaq and Kobie before Phill. Phill wanted to go there. Who would not. Yeah the guys before Phill did not do good but Bryant was a 18 year old kid. Phill did not coach him to grow up as much as becomming 21 made him grow up.
Then say what you want both the Lakers and the Bulls had some great support players who always made the big shot or play. Paxon, Armstrong, Grant, Kukoach, Rodman, Foxx, Fisher, Horry, the list goes on and on.
Take MJ, Pippen or Shaq and Bryant let Phill coach them without that high quality of support players and they don't win. I think Jackson is a great GM but as a coach nah..... |
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defska17
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| Posted: 6/29/2002, 12:20 am Post subject: |
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| G95champ wrote: |
| I disagree he was really the only Coach MJ and Pippen ever had in Chicago. MJ is back and with another team. Yeah hes the owner but why not call Phill to coach them if hes so great. I think MJ and Pippen just did not want to break up that team. aka the Fla Marlins after the World Series. |
Well from what I remember MJ left the Bulls (retired, the second time) because he didnt want to play for anyone other than Phil. After that, the team did break up just like the afforementioned Marlins
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| As far as the Lakers they had Shaq and Kobie before Phill. Phill wanted to go there. Who would not. Yeah the guys before Phill did not do good but Bryant was a 18 year old kid. Phill did not coach him to grow up as much as becomming 21 made him grow up. |
True. But still, Shaq and Kobe praise Phil all the time for holding that team together.
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| Then say what you want both the Lakers and the Bulls had some great support players who always made the big shot or play. Paxon, Armstrong, Grant, Kukoach, Rodman, Foxx, Fisher, Horry, the list goes on and on. |
My personal favorite was Steve Kerr  That guy was great, in my opinion just as important as Pippen in their run. But still, without Phil, how good are/were most of these players? In the case of Kerr, his numbers now are nowhere near what they were with the Bulls. Rodman is no longer in basketball. I cant speak for many of the others but Id bet money that for the most part numbers with Phil are better than without Phil.
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Unrelated comment: Im glad to see that you are around and posting G95. This is a great site that is currently rebuilding from an upgrade and in a few weeks, if you stick around, Im sure you will be glad that you did  And I hope to have lots of good discussions with you in the future.
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G95champ
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| Posted: 6/29/2002, 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Ill say Kerr numbers are not up because MJ or Pippen are not getting the double team.
As far as Shaq and Bryant taking up for Phill welll Duh. It's not a good thing to talk about you coach espically when your winning.
Im not saying Jackson don't know his stuff. I just think the players he has had on his teams has gave him his sucess more so than the Triangle or his Zen. LOL....
Great players make good coaches great coaches. What MJ and Shaq have done for Phill.
Great coaches make good players great. Ive not see Phill make any good players great yet. |
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Spike
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First of all, I hate the Lakers and I dislike Phil Jackson. I think at times Phil can be disrespectful, smug, condescending, and arrogant.
However, I can't believe I'm doing this but I'm going to defend Phil Jackson.
I think he's a great coach. I didn't see the Bulls before Phil Jackson, when Doug Collins was their head coach winning any titles, when he also coached Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, and Horace Grant. Same thing with the Lakers, I didn't see Del Harris or Kurt Rambis after him winning any titles when they got a chance to coach Shaq and Kobe before Phil got there. I don't think it's any coincidence that these teams raised their level of team play when Phil got there. |
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G95champ
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Reason why Bulls never won before Phill is simple. Try the Bad Boys in Detroit. Who was that guy coaching them uhh Dailey. Thomas, Rodman, Dumars and Lamber not great players but were under a great coach.
Also MJ was a young guy then. He had to grow up like Bryant did in the 2 or 3 years before Phill got there.
Fact is no one was going to beat Bird's Celts or Magic's Lakers in the 80's becasue as great as both were they were niether was a dominate as MJ or Shaq were or are.
If Phill was so great why did Pippen go nuts with no MJ. Looks like Phill could help him out those 2 years. Phill has been in the right place at the right time IMO..... |
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defska17
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| G95champ wrote: |
Great players make good coaches great coaches. What MJ and Shaq have done for Phill.
Great coaches make good players great. Ive not see Phill make any good players great yet. |
Powerful statement.
So, if I may ask, who is a "great coach" in your opinion?
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